Asked by
Sammy at 20 May,2013
Okay, so I have been on Tumblr, and I see a lot of feminism. I understand that this movement can get out of hand, and to the point where women are hating the other gender..... But I have also read many viewpoints where people believe it is completely wrong for women to want to go ahead and get a job, become economically successful, and desire to earn equal wages. Plus, certain advertising (Victoria's Secret, etc.) do annoy many women (including me) because it DOES set a certain image that TENDS to cause many males to believe that THAT is what a woman should look like. I mean, if I expected that the stereotypical man should look like a male model off of Calvin Klein, wouldn't males get mad? My question is, why do people frown upon certain feminist ideas such as equal opportunity in jobs and success? And I really want just a reasonable explanation as to why.... I am curious and would like to hear another point of view. I can see that there are groups of women are being way too radical about it, which I agree that they are. But just because these groups are acting the way they are, people are going to be completely against all ideas that they have? Why is this? For example: If I were to believe that men and women should have equal opportunity in the work force (not the progressive ideals... a.k.a. women should be able to do dirty work too) but is fine with the advertising ways since an answerer just helped me understand that images of the "ideal man" is played out too.... and I worked a regular job.... Would you support it? Why or why not?
Best Answer: Woody Blue at 20 May,2013
If feminism stuck to ideas such as equal opportunity in jobs and success for women - and went about it in a fair and balanced way - then no one would complain or disagree with feminism. but feminism goes beyond that - and it does so in an unfair and unbalanced way. an unreasonable and sexist way. * I judge feminism by the recognised feminist authors, the feminist groups like N.O.W, the things feminists say, and the policies and laws that feminists create - things like VAWA - and N.O.W opposing fathers rights groups. And feminists trying to have men's rights groups banned from uni campuses. These things don't exactly scream equality to me. They scream misandry.
Other Answers: - Because the very point of feminism is to elevate the problems of women over those of men - this is female supremacy.
I'm all for females having the same rights as men, but that's not what feminism is achieving.
- I'm going to take your specific point:
"But I have also read many viewpoints where people believe it is completely wrong for women to want to go ahead and get a job, become economically successful, and desire to earn equal wages."
That's because these people are sexists. It's that simple.
- Because what feminists claim they stand for isn't necessarily what they really do stand for.
When you hear "equal opportunity jobs", you don't really hear about Affirmative Action, now do you?
When you hear about the "Glass Ceiling", you don't really hear about the "Glass Cellar" and how man are stuck doing all these dead end, disgusting, low-paying jobs that women would never dare to go into (coal mining, garbage collecting, etc.) Why aren't feminists trying to push for more women in these jobs?
When you hear about violence against women, why don't you hear about violence against HUMANS? Feminists tend to completely ignore violence against other men as well.
- Feminism isn't about equality. Many of them still want women to get lesser sentences, many of them want vava, many of them still wanted to be treated special.
Men don't complain about Calvin klein but women do complain but women finding model attractive. You don't see men protest for having Calvin klein but feminists do protest against beautiful models.Women are insecure about their bodies, not men. Advertising is advertising, sex sells, do you think they put obese men in romantic novels?
- My main issue with feminism is how they blame people who are innocent. Rick Ross recently made a drug rape line in one of his songs and feminists lined outside of reebok and blamed them for his thoughts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt4YqjwB7ck
Here's another video showing feminists wasting the fire departments time by pulling a fire alarm to interrupt an mra meeting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2KPeMcYsuc&list=PLhZOzU5WE3iHiR-4XYE58HQxtwpAfrnyX
the tactics they use are really stupid and blame everyone but the guilty.
- because feminists only think about the perks of being equals but not the other stuff like how a woman who commits the same crime as men should get the same sentence
edit as long as you are talking about victoria secret you should see all the shirt less guys in women's ads
- If feminism stuck to ideas such as equal opportunity in jobs and success for women - and went about it in a fair and balanced way - then no one would complain or disagree with feminism.
but feminism goes beyond that - and it does so in an unfair and unbalanced way. an unreasonable and sexist way.
* I judge feminism by the recognised feminist authors, the feminist groups like N.O.W, the things feminists say, and the policies and laws that feminists create - things like VAWA - and N.O.W opposing fathers rights groups. And feminists trying to have men's rights groups banned from uni campuses.
These things don't exactly scream equality to me. They scream misandry.
- Because some feminists believe that all women who get pregnant have a 98% chance of dying from the pregnancy.
- A lot of people recognize that the whole idea of women having 'equal success' is just a silly social construct, no different from a child playing make believe. Men have always been the ones with greater physical strength so that we can do what we please with women, and while some women have tried arguing that that's no longer relevent because of the gun, it's no secret who invented the gun and who continues to invent, well... everything in the world. There's no question that if men and women went to war with one another, men would beat women by the end of the hour, and still have time for lunch.
And being 'equal' means you're equally capable. That's the whole thing women speak of when they talk about wanting to work - that they like knowing that they can be self-sufficient, and so on. But they aren't self-sufficient. If someone attacks them, they'll have no recourse UNLESS a male police officer steps up to defend them. The only reason a foreign nation isn't overruning them and raping them completely is because of men who aren't letting that nation do that. If their house catches on fire, it will be almost entirely men who rescue them and put it out.
It's a silly game of make believe that no thinking adult should take seriously. So rather than continue playing make believe and telling yourself that you're just as sufficient when you're not, some people prefer to focus on reality, and consign women to raise their children - which is the only thing society actually does -need- them for.
- Some people have been misinformed about feminism and believe a lot of the anti-feminist propaganda that has been circulating for years. Since the beginning of 1st wave feminism all the way up until now(3rd wave), sexists and chauvinistic men(and even some women) have been creating rumors about what feminism really is. They feel the pressure of the patriarchy finally starting to crumble and it scares them. A dawning of a new age is happening as we speak and chauvinists, sexists and misogynists don't belong.
Also, some conservatives and traditionalists don't care for feminism because it's basically a form of progressive liberalism. As most people know, conservatives don't like liberals and even though feminism helps conservative capitalism, they still lash out against feminism and anything that has to do with equality. Anti-feminism is hypocrisy and always has been.
- I only speak for myself. I disagree with feminism in general because they're WM hating bigots, who think WM are responsible for all the murders, rapes, oppression, etc. happening anywhere in the world. Feminists have an extreme hate of WM, you can go to their websites and see this. Most of the feminists in this section have an extreme hate of WM that they only show occasionally. Until this changes, I'll continue to disagree with feminism entirely. They'll thumbs this down, but they know it's true. When feminists talk about "men" they're talking about WM.
These other guys have other reasons for disagreeing with it, but this is my reason. Feminists are also trying to turn men, particularly WM, into pansies.